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21 replies · 6094 views · Started by i*heart*pie · Sep 2008

This 'issue' regarding Sarah ****'s last pregnancy has got me thinking. What does it mean to be ****? Or for that matter, ****? I ask this because even though this Vice President hopeful is ****, during her last pregnancy she still chose to continue to have a speech even after her water broke. Even worse, she waited 11 hours on a plane afterwards to have her son. Putting herself and her baby at risk for infection. All in all, that seemed like a **** decision. Even though it brought women's reproductive rights to the forefront, Gov. ****'s pregnancy and what she did during said pregnancy is entirely her business, and I agree with Sen. McCain...she should be left alone. So, now that you know the story behind the thread, what's your stance...**** or ****? Oh, and why?

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Mind>Matter from Montgomery, AL · Sep 2008

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Its a matter of circumstances. If a woman is in a dire situation, perhaps she should not have the child. Women sometime get involved in stressful situation and end up having miscarriages. Stillbirth. So, it depends on if the woman can remain healthy emotionally and physically during the course of pregnancy.

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· Sep 2008

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Whoa. I keep seeing this pop up and it's striking a cord within me. Murder is a big word. Why are we using it so damn carelessly with ****? I have to ask, what types of **** are we talking about when it comes to murder? 'Cause I've gone to an **** clinic, and I didn't see murderers, I saw women who were going through a flurry of emotions, nurses and gynecologists...not exactly America's Most Wanted...

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· Sep 2008

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I am mostly pro choice however if ur just being irresponsible and dont want to deal with your consequences of an unwanted pregnancy then i dont think u should be given the option of an **** u should've kept ur legs closed but in instances of **** or **** or a situation where it would risk your or your baby's health to have a child then i believe u should be able to have an **** without people having anything negative to say now from a religious standpoint God does not give you more than u can bear and everything in life happens for a reason... now u can take it from there thats just my $1.15 LOL

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Orca51 from Indianapolis, IN · Sep 2008

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i*heart*pie wrote:
Whoa. I keep seeing this pop up and it's striking a cord within me. Murder is a big word. Why are we using it so damn carelessly with ****? I have to ask, what types of **** are we talking about when it comes to murder? 'Cause I've gone to an **** clinic, and I didn't see murderers, I saw women who were going through a flurry of emotions, nurses and gynecologists...not exactly America's Most Wanted...

**** people always say **** is murder. It is a way of guilting people into thinking like them. I think it becomes murder at viability, but women really only abort at viability when they have no other options. Before that it isn't murder. There was no malice involved, and it's a hard decision to have to make.

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· Sep 2008

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For me, the major issue is the restriction of rights to one's own body. Whatever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? For this, I'm a **** advocate. We forget that the fetus, in utero, is not a entity of its own, but still in a state wholly dependent on the mother. She should have full rights to her own body...call her a murderer if you will, but remember, it was HER body before that fetus EVER came into conception and it will always be her body even after... "The only freedom deserving the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. Each is the proper guardian of his own health, whether bodily, mental and spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than compelling each to live as seems good to the rest." Mellow

--John Stuart Mill On Liberty (1806-1873)

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· Sep 2008

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Also there are several types of ****-I want to say three levels. I had to do a presentation in Con-law last year regarding some state statutes that outlawed the "late trimester" ****. In this case the baby (at this point it was baby) was viable. One procedure allowed the doctor to **** the baby in the head, suck out the brain and the rest of the body was hacked up and taken out of the woman piece by piece. Another procedured varied, with the baby actually coming through birth canal far enough for the doctor to crush its head and then remove. Most of the state statutes wanted to outlaw the latter since that was consider murder by the baby actually traveling through the birth canal.

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· Sep 2008

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i*heart*pie wrote:
For me, the major issue is the restriction of rights to one's own body. Whatever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? For this, I'm a **** advocate. We forget that the fetus, in utero, is not a entity of its own, but still in a state wholly dependent on the mother. She should have full rights to her own body...call her a murderer if you will, but remember, it was HER body before that fetus EVER came into conception and it will always be her body even after... "The only freedom deserving the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. Each is the proper guardian of his own health, whether bodily, mental and spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than compelling each to live as seems good to the rest." --John Stuart Mill On Liberty (1806-1873)

Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness is not at the expense of infringing upon other's constitutional rights. Plus that's from the Declaration of Independence. You are right-it was the woman's body before the fetus was conceived. The same body that woman laid down, in the cases of consent, to take part in that conception. That was her time to choose wisely.

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· Sep 2008

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konvinceme wrote:
Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness is not at the expense of infringing upon other's constitutional rights. Plus that's from the Declaration of Independence. You are right-it was the woman's body before the fetus was conceived. The same body that woman laid down, in the cases of consent, to take part in that conception. That was her time to choose wisely.

I know where it comes from. That's why I quoted it. Furthermore, there isn't any infringing up on other's constitutional rights. Especially if said 'other' hasn't even been brought into the world as of yet. The fetus shouldn't have more rights to life than the woman who conceives that baby, regardless of whatever moral issues you have about it. I'm going to be frank about it. This **** argument stems from a religious based believe that one should 'go forth and multiply'. But I was just wondering with all this multiplication, what facilities are being built to support the next generation of life. We can barely keep it together right NOW, what with global warming, contaminated food, anti-biotic resistant diseases and a increasingly rising poverty rate...right here in this country. How does one expect to provide rights to those who aren't here as of yet, when people who are here already don't even have them?

· Sep 2008

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i*heart*pie wrote:
I know where it comes from. That's why I quoted it. Furthermore, there isn't any infringing up on other's constitutional rights. Especially if said 'other' hasn't even been brought into the world as of yet. The fetus shouldn't have more rights to life than the woman who conceives that baby, regardless of whatever moral issues you have about it. I'm going to be frank about it. This **** argument stems from a religious based believe that one should 'go forth and multiply'. But I was just wondering with all this multiplication, what facilities are being built to support the next generation of life. We can barely keep it together right NOW, what with global warming, contaminated food, anti-biotic resistant diseases and a increasingly rising poverty rate...right here in this country. How does one expect to provide rights to those who aren't here as of yet, when people who are here already don't even have them?

All abortions are not performed to extract fetuses from the woman's body. That is why all the information has to be put forth in order to make the most reasonable decision. These issues, fetus vs. baby, viability etc are the reasons why the court has yet to final decide when life truly begins. As stated in my follow-up post, states have varying statates that outline what type of abortions are permissible. Some states allow abortions in the very late stages of pregnancy, to the point that labor is induced for the baby to reach the birth canal to meet its death. At that point, we are no longer talking about a fetus. **** is not just about religious belief. Granted that is one major point used in arguing against ****. But I am not speaking from a biblical sense...I am speaking from common sense. Im full aware of actually suggesting people to acknowledge and practice taking responsibility before they act would destroy my career. But thinking that the government is really "for the people" and "by the people" is a bunch of BS. Our dependence upon the government is the greatest factor of why everything you mentioned, food contamination, lack of adequate facilities, poverty, etc exist. Poor folks that get pregnant more than likely can not afford to get an ****. State funding does not pay for abortions (not sure if this is the law in all states). However states do fund pre-natal care, planned parenthood, etc in the department of health services. So you can argue that the State is more incline to keep people in poverty, struggling, over populating the world because that's what they are paying for-to keep the babies coming. **** is legal now and we still have these problems. So what gives?