Brown v. Board of Education, left a positive affect?

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KDJ_04 Washington, DC

May 17th, 2004 marked the 50th anniversary of the historic supreme court case Brown v. Board of education which ended the seperate but equal doctrine in schools across the country. 50 years later we find ourselves looking back with some saying, 'was it worth it?' Has the famous case improved the African-American race, or was it a waste of time? I feel that for it to even come about, it must have meant something to blacks fighting for justice and equality at the time. Im somewhat split on the issue, however I do favor integration, which has its many advantages such as diversity building, while at the same time I favor an all black school for example, because there you can get the rich history of your race through learning and interaction.

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· May 2004

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It's sad, but I too agree with Cosby. Education starts at home. We, as black people, know that our children are at an unfair disadvantage in schools, so it is necessary that we help teach them inside our own homes. My grandmother once told me that, "The best thing you can do for your image is to speak with conviction. It's the best first impression you can ever make." Ever since, I have lived by these words. The first step to changing a cycle is realizing that a cycle exist, and Cosby hit the nail right on the head.

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RevolutionarySistah from Los Angeles, CA · May 2004

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ok, ok, so you know the revolutionary had to check into this post 'cuz its causin' a stir on the boards...... ok, so about the Cosby statement......I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!! 'Cept for the thing about the way we speak......me personally, I love my **** english. Especially the way I got a 4 on my AP English exam and the fact i was the only person in my ap class this year that got an 'A' (and i'm the only black one, you know!!) I speak comfortably around my people the way we speak, but if I need to switch it up, I can at the drop of a dime. (like how hispanics go from english to spanish or something like that) However, when I see these ball players on camera.....it makes me shutter. I know ya'll seen 'em too....."uuuuhh, we played good. We was just tryna have fun out there. Uhhh, we did what ****---uhm---i mean coach said to do" There are certain times when proper english is neccessary. Aiight, so about Brown vs. Board......I have mixed feelings about intergration. I think black people used it as a cop out to stop fixing the problems with the community. "Why fix our schools when we can just go to there's???" Its the same thing all over. Black people gave up on their communities and just tried to assimilate into theirs. Before intergration, their were black owned businesses, and you could live next door to a doctor. Communities were safer and we just looked out for each other more. The only thing I like about Brown vs. Board was that it represented a time when black folks wasn't afraid to speak up for something they wanted. N*igga's today is straight up scared. As far as the new "civil" rights movement......its non-existent. Marching down the middle of road ain't gone solve nothing, just like it didn't do much back then. (hey, i'm bein' real, it didn't) Only sad thing is that Martin died having all this hope in his people and we let him down......we had a dream, and died in cold blood, still dreaming. We let all of them down....Martin, Malcom, Marcus, Heuy, W.E.B....every single one of them. (dayum i am writing alot, but i'll keep going a bit) So, I feel we need to ditch the "civil rights" movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads. We need a new way....this is a brand new day. I think Malcom said it best: ...instead of sticking under your nose or crying for civil rights---will began to expand their civil rights plea to a plea for human rights. And once the so-called Negro in this country forgets the whole civil rights issue and begins to realize that human rights are far more important and broad than civil rights, he won't be going to Washington D.C., anymore, to beg Uncle Sam for civil rights. He will take his plea for human rights to the United Nations. It will be a violation of human rights.....the day the black man turns from civil rights to human rights, he will take his case into the halls of the United Nations..... he said this dang near 40 years ago, and black folk still ain't caught on....

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RevolutionarySistah wrote:
ok, ok, so you know the revolutionary had to check into this post 'cuz its causin' a stir on the boards...... ok, so about the Cosby statement......I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!! 'Cept for the thing about the way we speak......me personally, I love my **** english. Especially the way I got a 4 on my AP English exam and the fact i was the only person in my ap class this year that got an 'A' (and i'm the only black one, you know!!) I speak comfortably around my people the way we speak, but if I need to switch it up, I can at the drop of a dime. (like how hispanics go from english to spanish or something like that) However, when I see these ball players on camera.....it makes me shutter. I know ya'll seen 'em too....."uuuuhh, we played good. We was just tryna have fun out there. Uhhh, we did what ****---uhm---i mean coach said to do" There are certain times when proper english is neccessary. Aiight, so about Brown vs. Board......I have mixed feelings about intergration. I think black people used it as a cop out to stop fixing the problems with the community. "Why fix our schools when we can just go to there's???" Its the same thing all over. Black people gave up on their communities and just tried to assimilate into theirs. Before intergration, their were black owned businesses, and you could live next door to a doctor. Communities were safer and we just looked out for each other more. The only thing I like about Brown vs. Board was that it represented a time when black folks wasn't afraid to speak up for something they wanted. N*igga's today is straight up scared. As far as the new "civil" rights movement......its non-existent. Marching down the middle of road ain't gone solve nothing, just like it didn't do much back then. (hey, i'm bein' real, it didn't) Only sad thing is that Martin died having all this hope in his people and we let him down......we had a dream, and died in cold blood, still dreaming. We let all of them down....Martin, Malcom, Marcus, Heuy, W.E.B....every single one of them. (dayum i am writing alot, but i'll keep going a bit) So, I feel we need to ditch the "civil rights" movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads. We need a new way....this is a brand new day. I think Malcom said it best: ...instead of sticking under your nose or crying for civil rights---will began to expand their civil rights plea to a plea for human rights. And once the so-called Negro in this country forgets the whole civil rights issue and begins to realize that human rights are far more important and broad than civil rights, he won't be going to Washington D.C., anymore, to beg Uncle Sam for civil rights. He will take his plea for human rights to the United Nations. It will be a violation of human rights.....the day the black man turns from civil rights to human rights, he will take his case into the halls of the United Nations..... he said this dang near 40 years ago, and black folk still ain't caught on....

As a member of the NAACP, I am disheartened by some of your comments. The NAACP is one of the most, if not the most, influential organization on Morehouse's campus. I think it is ludacrous to say we should ditch the civil rights movement and the organizations that helped put us where we are. Although, we still have a long way to go, we CANNOT deny the fact that we have come a long way in 50 years. Yes, racism and discrimination still exist but it is no longer socially acceptable. For example, when Sen. Trent Lot made those comments, he had his title stripped from him. This would not have happened without the dire efforts of people who thought he was wrong. We cannot move forward without embracing our past, therefore I think it is dangerous for our generation to "ditch the 'civil rights' movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads."

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· May 2004

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RevolutionarySistah... I think I agree with what you've said. The only part that I can't completely agree with is about black people being straight scared to speak out. I think that our generation doesn't know how to lobby to our politicians. It could be fear...fear that we may be viewed as uneducated. Hell I'm scared to vote because I'm not quite sure of the candidates views...working on that though. I also think another problem is that some black folks have made it and problems that plague our race don't bother them anymore. They got theirs and that's all that matters....that's not how things should go. Going back to Mr. Cosby I agree with him...he speaks and he has actions. I can view him in a fatherly image almost...chastising then turning around and helping the community. I think a new movement should start. Its just time to stop talking about it and get it done... Where to start and how can we educate our community to get involved?

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what's_on_my_mind · May 2004

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TazzyBoy806 wrote:
RevolutionarySistah wrote:
ok, ok, so you know the revolutionary had to check into this post 'cuz its causin' a stir on the boards...... ok, so about the Cosby statement......I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!! 'Cept for the thing about the way we speak......me personally, I love my **** english. Especially the way I got a 4 on my AP English exam and the fact i was the only person in my ap class this year that got an 'A' (and i'm the only black one, you know!!) I speak comfortably around my people the way we speak, but if I need to switch it up, I can at the drop of a dime. (like how hispanics go from english to spanish or something like that) However, when I see these ball players on camera.....it makes me shutter. I know ya'll seen 'em too....."uuuuhh, we played good. We was just tryna have fun out there. Uhhh, we did what ****---uhm---i mean coach said to do" There are certain times when proper english is neccessary. Aiight, so about Brown vs. Board......I have mixed feelings about intergration. I think black people used it as a cop out to stop fixing the problems with the community. "Why fix our schools when we can just go to there's???" Its the same thing all over. Black people gave up on their communities and just tried to assimilate into theirs. Before intergration, their were black owned businesses, and you could live next door to a doctor. Communities were safer and we just looked out for each other more. The only thing I like about Brown vs. Board was that it represented a time when black folks wasn't afraid to speak up for something they wanted. N*igga's today is straight up scared. As far as the new "civil" rights movement......its non-existent. Marching down the middle of road ain't gone solve nothing, just like it didn't do much back then. (hey, i'm bein' real, it didn't) Only sad thing is that Martin died having all this hope in his people and we let him down......we had a dream, and died in cold blood, still dreaming. We let all of them down....Martin, Malcom, Marcus, Heuy, W.E.B....every single one of them. (dayum i am writing alot, but i'll keep going a bit) So, I feel we need to ditch the "civil rights" movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads. We need a new way....this is a brand new day. I think Malcom said it best: ...instead of sticking under your nose or crying for civil rights---will began to expand their civil rights plea to a plea for human rights. And once the so-called Negro in this country forgets the whole civil rights issue and begins to realize that human rights are far more important and broad than civil rights, he won't be going to Washington D.C., anymore, to beg Uncle Sam for civil rights. He will take his plea for human rights to the United Nations. It will be a violation of human rights.....the day the black man turns from civil rights to human rights, he will take his case into the halls of the United Nations..... he said this dang near 40 years ago, and black folk still ain't caught on....
As a member of the NAACP, I am disheartened by some of your comments. The NAACP is one of the most, if not the most, influential organization on Morehouse's campus. I think it is ludacrous to say we should ditch the civil rights movement and the organizations that helped put us where we are. Although, we still have a long way to go, we CANNOT deny the fact that we have come a long way in 50 years. Yes, racism and discrimination still exist but it is no longer socially acceptable. For example, when Sen. Trent Lot made those comments, he had his title stripped from him. This would not have happened without the dire efforts of people who thought he was wrong. We cannot move forward without embracing our past, therefore I think it is dangerous for our generation to "ditch the 'civil rights' movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads."

I agree with you on the concept of remembering our past. However, it is a proven fact that change can better a sitaution. In your past, I know you had to change the way you act or handled a situation so you could prosper in life? Am I right? The NAACP, Black Panters, and icons like Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson are great. (Hell I know Jesse Jackson personally :wink: ) However, using old tools in a new age can be limiting and untactic in a new racist society. What we need to do is expound on these conceptd that worked in our past, and develop new ways that can make these concepts better.

RevolutionarySistah from Los Angeles, CA · May 2004

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TazzyBoy806 wrote:
RevolutionarySistah wrote:
ok, ok, so you know the revolutionary had to check into this post 'cuz its causin' a stir on the boards...... ok, so about the Cosby statement......I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!! 'Cept for the thing about the way we speak......me personally, I love my **** english. Especially the way I got a 4 on my AP English exam and the fact i was the only person in my ap class this year that got an 'A' (and i'm the only black one, you know!!) I speak comfortably around my people the way we speak, but if I need to switch it up, I can at the drop of a dime. (like how hispanics go from english to spanish or something like that) However, when I see these ball players on camera.....it makes me shutter. I know ya'll seen 'em too....."uuuuhh, we played good. We was just tryna have fun out there. Uhhh, we did what ****---uhm---i mean coach said to do" There are certain times when proper english is neccessary. Aiight, so about Brown vs. Board......I have mixed feelings about intergration. I think black people used it as a cop out to stop fixing the problems with the community. "Why fix our schools when we can just go to there's???" Its the same thing all over. Black people gave up on their communities and just tried to assimilate into theirs. Before intergration, their were black owned businesses, and you could live next door to a doctor. Communities were safer and we just looked out for each other more. The only thing I like about Brown vs. Board was that it represented a time when black folks wasn't afraid to speak up for something they wanted. N*igga's today is straight up scared. As far as the new "civil" rights movement......its non-existent. Marching down the middle of road ain't gone solve nothing, just like it didn't do much back then. (hey, i'm bein' real, it didn't) Only sad thing is that Martin died having all this hope in his people and we let him down......we had a dream, and died in cold blood, still dreaming. We let all of them down....Martin, Malcom, Marcus, Heuy, W.E.B....every single one of them. (dayum i am writing alot, but i'll keep going a bit) So, I feel we need to ditch the "civil rights" movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads. We need a new way....this is a brand new day. I think Malcom said it best: ...instead of sticking under your nose or crying for civil rights---will began to expand their civil rights plea to a plea for human rights. And once the so-called Negro in this country forgets the whole civil rights issue and begins to realize that human rights are far more important and broad than civil rights, he won't be going to Washington D.C., anymore, to beg Uncle Sam for civil rights. He will take his plea for human rights to the United Nations. It will be a violation of human rights.....the day the black man turns from civil rights to human rights, he will take his case into the halls of the United Nations..... he said this dang near 40 years ago, and black folk still ain't caught on....
As a member of the NAACP, I am disheartened by some of your comments. The NAACP is one of the most, if not the most, influential organization on Morehouse's campus. I think it is ludacrous to say we should ditch the civil rights movement and the organizations that helped put us where we are. Although, we still have a long way to go, we CANNOT deny the fact that we have come a long way in 50 years. Yes, racism and discrimination still exist but it is no longer socially acceptable. For example, when Sen. Trent Lot made those comments, he had his title stripped from him. This would not have happened without the dire efforts of people who thought he was wrong. We cannot move forward without embracing our past, therefore I think it is dangerous for our generation to "ditch the 'civil rights' movement, the NAACP, Jesse, Al....all of those old heads."

ok, so why don't enlighten a sistah on what the NAACP has done RECENTLY....not 40 years ago...not when martin was alive....tangible, something that I am benefiting from right now. All i'm saying is, the old heads, what are they doing??? Just tell me and shut me up!! 'Cause right about now, I ain't feelin' nan one of 'em. and I got the Trent Lot thing....whatelse.....