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80 replies · 20883 views · Started by CPL Thunderstruck · Feb 2005
CPL Thunderstruck
Does anyone else here believe that the Bible is hilarious? God smited people for skeeting on the ground, King David **** some guy so he could bone his wife and one guy rapes his sister and desecrates her. You can't get more vile in a book! THIS BOOK IS AWESOME. So, this I made this post for religious debates because I am considerably bored and Christianity is the easiest to pick on since it's so broken. Who here studies...and I mean STUDIED...the bible? Thunder
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AfroPoeticSista · Feb 2005
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Granted I know more about Christianity than even some of the most devout believers...but this guy totally obliterated me, which, even though I'm only 19, is no easy task. I am in awe of his knowledge and his ability to connect things. I wish to be intelligent like this one day.
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-Both were “born” on the 25th of December (that date comes to Christ through Mithras)
not true. nowhere in the bible is Jesus said to have been born on December 25. If you really have "studied" the Bible you would have noticed this fact: Jesus died at age 33 1/2 on the night of Nisan 14/15, aka Passover. This usually is late March/early April. If you count 6 months to make him 34, you will find that he must have been born in late September/early October. The whole idea of Jesus being born on Dec. 25 was Constanstinople's attempt , around the 3rd century a.d., to reconcile "christianity" with the pagan doctrines of the Greeks and Romans, Dec. 25 being the Saturnalia, or festival of the Sun God(sun/Son, get it?)
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-Both were crucified and died for man's sins.
the original Greek term for Jesus's death instrument is sty-kos, translated "upright pole, tree, stake". nowhere in the original Greek language of the scriptures is the word for a crossbeam used. This was an adaptation also added around the 3rd century a.d. to reconcile Jesus with paganism, as the use of a Cross in religion dates back to Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Olmec nations. the Babylonian god Tam-muz was venerated with a crossbeam, eternal life in Egypt with an Ankh. evolution of the use of a cross in Babylonian and Mesopotamian religion, with th4th cross depicting the sun/son(circle) as the head of religion, and the 5th cross putting the symbol INSIDE of the sun/son(circle) Egyptian Ankh, symbol of eternal life. compare to "christian" cross
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-Chrishna Zeus and Christ Jesus are very similar names, leading some to speculate that Jesus Christ as we know him never existed, and that his myth was based on the myth of Chrishna Zeus.
Jesus, in Greek, is I-e-sous. in Hebrew, its Ye-shu-a. This was a common name among Jews at the time of his birth. Krist-os(Christ) is just the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mes-chi-ah(Messiah), meaning "Savior"
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-Both were....omnipotent/quote] Jesus isn't omnipotent. he said "the Father is greater than i am."While human, he got hungry, thirsty, tired, needed help carrying his torture stake.
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-Christ was the “alpha and the omega.” Not to be outdone, Chrishna was “the Beginning, the Middle and the End.”
to be the alpha(beginning) and the omega(end), he would've had to always have existed. Jesus was God's (YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh) first creation, meaning he had a beginning. so God, not Jesus, is the alpha and omega.
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Under this point of view, we can see Christ as a Hindu savior, or we can speculate that the historical Jesus never existed at all, and that His myth was built around the Chrishna myth. Either way, Christianity is just a bad regurgitation of old heathen ideas
there has been archeological finding testifying to the historic accuracy of Jesus's existence. Yes, it is true, over the years many heathen practices have been grafted in under the guise of "Christianity"(celebration of holidays with pagan roots, veneration of the cross, Mary worship, trinitarianism, christiandom's role in politics). but that doesn't mean whawt was said in the bible is false.
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· Feb 2005
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For some reason, Christianity has become a joke to some people, whether it be media or messageboards and I don't know about anyone else, but I find it totally disrespectful. I don't hear people disrespectng Judiasm or Hinduism as much. To me it's the same feeling as when someone doubts me because of my race.
Judiasm and Hinduism are very well structured religions, built around a credible foundation. Christianity, however, is not. It is taken solely from Judaism, and the only difference to begin with Christianity for Judaism was that they believed Jesus was the Messiah. In fact, it used to be a sect of Judaism. However, Christianity gets attacked for multiple reasons. One, because it has managed to stray extremely far away from the core belief of God. And it's everchanging values make it even easier to attack. Someone once said Christianity has now become a Hippie religion; and it's hard to disagree with him. Why should I attack Christians, their actions are their actions; not mine. I attack Christianity because it does not condone that activity, it just says "Confess, and your sins shall be rinsed from your soul". It sounds all good and dandy, but think about how often we break the 10 commandments, then you will have a strong idea of it's a hippie religion. Christianity is now made to please the people. When we should be the ones pleasing Christianity. Thunder
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AfroPoeticSista · Feb 2005
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However, Christianity gets attacked for multiple reasons. One, because it has managed to stray extremely far away from the core belief of God. And it's everchanging values make it even easier to attack. I attack Christianity because it does not condone that activity, it just says "Confess, and your sins shall be rinsed from your soul". It sounds all good and dandy, but think about how often we break the 10 commandments, then you will have a strong idea of it's a hippie religion. Christianity is now made to please the people. When we should be the ones pleasing Christianity. Thunder
I agree with you. But there is a difference between Chrisitanity and Christiandom. Christiandom is what you are referring to, that which has been corrupted by ever-changing value systems, incorporating doctrines that are not endorsed by the bible, practicing things that are expressively forbidden in the bible. It is a power structure(think"holy roman empire") that has has become as political as any other party, in that relgious leaders bless troops, collectively vote polititcians in office, and turn a blind eye to immorality. They are going against what Jesus told us, to "be no part of the world". Chrisitanity is the practice of what teachings are held in the Bible, both old and new testiment. God doesn't forgive you of your sins if you "confess". You are forgiven sins if you demonstrate REPENTANCE, which means a conversion from sin. It's the difference between saying "i'm sorry" and actually apologizing and seeking to right your wrongs. Now if you confess that you raw dawg'd your husband's best friend the night b4 yall honeymoon, that means nothing if you plan on doing it again, and LIKED what you did, and smile when u think of that night. If u confess you are a liar, that means nothing if you're plannin on claiming someone not dependant on u on your FAFSA. And even if you don't sin with your actions, dwelling on sinful thoughts is just as bad, so to be repentant, u would have to police ya thoughts to, lest u commit "adultery of the heart" Christianity isn't a burdensom formality. Its a lifestyle. Sadly, many people are members of Christiandom instead of practicers of Christianity.
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· Feb 2005
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not true. nowhere in the bible is Jesus said to have been born on December 25. If you really have "studied" the Bible you would have noticed this fact
Hence the quotation marks around "born" and the parentheses aftwerwards. We know this already.
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the original Greek term for Jesus's death instrument is sty-kos, translated "upright pole, tree, stake". nowhere in the original Greek language of the scriptures is the word for a crossbeam used. This was an adaptation also added around the 3rd century a.d. to reconcile Jesus with paganism, as the use of a Cross in religion dates back to Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Olmec nations. the Babylonian god Tam-muz was venerated with a crossbeam, eternal life in Egypt with an Ankh.
The history of the cross is nice. John, probably the most reliable part of the Bible as it has remained totally unchanged, has accomodated for your belief:
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"The other disciples therefore were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe,"
(John 20:25). More quotes:
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"And as they were coming out, they found a man of Cyrene named Simon, whom they pressed into service to bear His cross,"
(Matt. 27:32).
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"Therefore the soldiers did these things. But there were standing by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene,"
(John 19:25). If he died on a stake, as you believe, then why on earth would they use TWO nails to nail him down? His hands would have to be over his head, one over the other. It is possible for them to nail him down with 2 nails, but that is ill in logic as compared to that of dying on a cross. And the Cross was first generated by early Great Spiritists before any other religions time. It was a means signifying the death of an enemy.
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Jesus, in Greek, is I-e-sous. in Hebrew, its Ye-shu-a. This was a common name among Jews at the time of his birth. Krist-os(Christ) is just the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mes-chi-ah(Messiah), meaning "Savior"
Literal translations mean very little when comparing the two names pheonetically. And as said, it is mere speculation.
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to be the alpha(beginning) and the omega(end), he would've had to always have existed. Jesus was God's (YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh) first creation, meaning he had a beginning. so God, not Jesus, is the alpha and omega.
I raised the same point, and I got this in return.
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This symbol was suggested by the Apocalypse, where Christ, as well as the Father, is "the First and the Last" (ii, 8]; "the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" (cf., xxii, 13; i, 8]. Clement of Alexandria speaks of the Word as "the Alpha and the Omega of Whom alone the end becomes beginning, and ends again at the original beginning without any break" (Strom., IV, 25). Tertullian also alludes to Christ as the Alpha and Omega (De Monogamiâ, v), and from Prudentius (Cathemer., ix, 10) we learn that in the fourth century the interpretation of the apocalyptic letters was still the same: "Alpha et Omega cognominatus, ipse fons et clausula, Omnium quae sunt, fuerunt, quaeque post futura sunt." It was, however, in the monuments of early Christianity that the symbolic Alpha and Omega had their greatest vogue.
If there is some possible way to disprove that, let me know immediately.
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there has been archeological finding testifying to the historic accuracy of Jesus's existence.
If your going to state something as bold as such, state it with completeness. James' tomb is a very, VERY wary subject because of the carbon dating on it. Christian philosophers will scream that it remains between 20 B.C. and 70 A.D because of the use of ossuaries until they are blue in the face. But Jews also used ossuaries in the Jordan Valley and in Galilee, at least into the third century AD. Not only that, but the Aramaic dialect used in the engraving points to third century to sixth century A.D. much better than the early use of Jewish Palestenian Aramaic. The coffin has more evidence against it than for it. In addition to those rather simple evidences, prior to third century AD the Aramaic used in the inscription has never before been seen or heard, except in one other instance (in which many believe it is a mere spelling error). The posessive suffix for brother, as seen in "brother of Jesus" is spelled with -uy, instead of the standard -uhy for that time. Not until third century was -uy used, except in that one instance. And the word "of" is actually spelled out which usually happens in Targum, which is exclusively post 2nd century A.D. And lets not even touch the **** Sea Scrolls. But, with all that said, you know your sh!t . Need more people like you. Thunder
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In Rod We Trust · Feb 2005
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ummmm............. Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one................. The Trinity............ God in three persons...............
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WileECoyote06 · Feb 2005
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I don't hear people disrespectng Judiasm or Hinduism as much.
Semantics is something else. . . Is thunder disrespecting Christianity or is he commenting/criticizing/dissecting it? I don't think anything he's said so far has been disrespecting or insulting.
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In Rod We Trust · Feb 2005
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I don't hear people disrespectng Judiasm or Hinduism as much.
Semantics is something else. . . Is thunder disrespecting Christianity or is he commenting/criticizing/dissecting it? I don't think anything he's said so far has been disrespecting or insulting.
well, to some it might BE disrespectful............ to each his own......... i don't give a damn how he feels...........
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WileECoyote06 · Feb 2005
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But, with all that said, you know your sh!t . Need more people like you.
cosign.. I'm glad and relieved that some people think enough of their lifestyle and/or doctrine to ask questions and seek knowledge.
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· Feb 2005
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WileECoyote06 wrote:
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I don't hear people disrespectng Judiasm or Hinduism as much.
Semantics is something else. . . Is thunder disrespecting Christianity or is he commenting/criticizing/dissecting it? I don't think anything he's said so far has been disrespecting or insulting.
well, to some it might BE disrespectful............ to each his own......... i don't give a damn how he feels...........
Hold on missus, I never said how I feel about Christianity. When I analyze stuff, my personal feelings are left at the door. It allows me an unbiased format in which I can properly allocate my knowledge. Hegel's theory on politics is that, in order to study politics with complete understanding, you must show no emotion. That's all I do in anything I prefer to discuss. Now I do have my biases. If you say Arturo Gatti is no good, I'll probably rant and rave about he would KTFO of every lightweight to ever grace the ring, when clearly it is not true. But I do not PREFER to discuss that. AfroPoeticSista came with the fire in her post and brought up some hard facts that should be known if you envelop Christianity; and even though MissJazzyAKA percieved me a disrespectful heathen that should be banished into the pits of hell, I still like her. And as for me attacking Judaism or Hinduism. I have been on that forefront. But does anyone here know the slightest bit abotu Judaism or Hinduism that isn't already mainstream? Thunder
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In Rod We Trust · Feb 2005
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The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.... I agree with everything Kish said as well as AfroPoetic and JazzyAKA... One reason we go to Church is not to me lectured on the wrongs of the earth and the sins we commit, but to have a better understanding and interpretation of the Bible it's self. The Old Test. and the new Test. differ on many things, but we are told that we are STILL living in the new Test until Jesus Christ makes his return. I agree, we walk by FAITH not by sight.... I don't want to sound you know silly or nothing but if you've ever seen " Bruce Almighty"...when Bruce asks God why can't he just make us believe...and he replied " I gave you the freedom to choose whether or not to believe in me"...Thats like the greatest most HONEST movie line ever that speaks so much truth... I can't say I agree with anything other than Christianity...but My God gave me the right to believe in Him...and to make choices that regard him... That kinda takes me back to my Philosophy class... Do we choose our own destiny.... or.... Is our destiny already planned for us and we're just going through the motions of life?
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